Tuesday, December 22, 2009

Bedazzle them with Brilliance

My last post was lifted directly from an Americans for Prosperity letter, & provided links for contacting Congress . Today, I'm lifting a post directly from a friend's such letter to our very own Freshman Senator, Kay Hagan (D - NC). Our friend tells it like it is, & makes no apologies for his position:

Dear Senator Hagan:

"...If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS. This is especially true if you think that the general populace are idiots. All of this is straight from the DNC playbook. I hope you enjoy your time in DC; because until your office begins to understand that NC hasn't changed it's conservative, RED State views and your votes continue to be aligned with the DNC, Reid and his lackeys; your position will pass as quickly as Edwards did. You represent all of NC. Not the DNC that paid for your election.

I will make one last plea, STOP SPENDING MY CHILD'S FUTURE. I need nothing form the the Federal Government except to be left alone and a military to protect our borders. I will raise my child to do the same. This is nothing new for me or the generations before me. We stand on our own ability. What does this say about your office and the rest of the DNC that are trying to convince us that we need protecting? Not much really. I'm just preparing for the future that you are helping to create. A future that is sold out to China and everyone else that we have become indebted to. Good luck with that "change thing" that you have going on.

God help us, because you surely aren't.

Sincerely,
Concerned NC citizen


Bravo, friend! Our 'legislators' must hear from ALL of us in this manner - honest & straightforward; to the point.

Keep the pressure on.
~~~

37 comments:

Fredd said...

Sen. Kay Hagan (D-NC) is already skating on thin ice. Her seat was held by two Republicans for the last 36 years (Jesse Helms and Liddy Dole), and she has already crapped in it in only 10 months.

Too bad she's not up for re-election sooner, she'd be toast just like the rest of her pinko liberal buddies facing the Great Unwashed in another 10 months or so..

Jim said...

"STOP SPENDING MY CHILD'S FUTURE"

Wonder how many times Concerned NC Citizen said that to Helms and Dole between 2001 and 2008 while the national debt was going from $5T to over $9T (not including the Iraq and Afghanistan costs off the books). Just sayin'.

Susannah said...

Fredd~ Yes, Sen. Hagan's win was only b/c the bid fell during the pres. election year, & you-know-who was at the top of the ticket...She's doing EXACTLY what the Sen. Dems tell her, nothing more or less - & certainly not representing NC.

Jim~ Nice try. We both know that what has transpired in the past 12 months tops ANYTHING Bush & his Congress did. And just for the record, I didn't like that spending either.

Also, I've sent an email to Concerned NC Cit. to inform him of your question (I don't presume to answer for him). He's not a blogger, but maybe he'll set up an account just for you!

troyfreund said...

has there been any confirmation, anywhere, of this whole "phones off the hook" accusation?

Gramma 2 Many said...

Great letter, but I am convinced it will just go into the circular file with all of the other letters from the unwashed masses.
I cannot help but wonder if these people who are constantly throwing Iraq and Afghanistan at us would feel comfortable flying anywhere were it not for us taking the fight back to the terrorists in their country. I happen to appreciate that I have been relatively safe for eight years Bush was in office.
Can't say I feel the same not that the great apologist is in office.

Right-Wing Libertarian said...

Great post, Suz ....

I woulda signed it. These congressmen need to put a face with a name. They need to fear us, and we don't need to give them any idea that it is gonna remain the other way around for much longer.

I don't fear the government. I pity it. I am angry at the people who ruined it. I approach government representatives with the idea that they should fear me and those who stand with me. If they do not, they will soon or they will leave their rice bowl very soon!

PSI Bond said...

The Brilliance is in YOUR blog Suusannah, I love it.

I'm hooked on your blog and I will be a regular reader.

Susannah said...

troy~ Good question, & I don't know the answer. Honestly I don't really care, b/c that's not the point. They did their damage, whether they turned off their phones or not has no bearing on that action.

Glad you came by. Do visit again!

Gramma~ Excellent point. I would only edit one thing - we've been 'absolutely' safe since 9-11. Not until BHO took over have we dallied w/ the Iranians, Venezuelans, etc. AND been attacked by one of our own. Oh, I'm sorry. BHO insists Fort Hood was a 'tragedy.' Uh huh. Sure; and it's our fault too, right?

RWL~ Thanks! I'm sure you're welcome to use it if you'd like.

I don't fear G'ment either - until it starts telling me how to live my life, requiring me to buy certain things just for breathing. That's tyranny & THAT scares me.

PSI~ Welcome! I've seen you around lots of places. Thanks for coming here! You are far too kind in your comments, but I sure am glad you'll visit often!

Merry Christmas, everyone!

Dan said...

For those who don't know, here is a text book example of how "Alinsky's Rules For Radicals" works.

Rule 4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

Now check out this comment. It is ex nihilo, or "from nothing"; a shot from a dark corner if you will; freeing the commenter from having to defend his own view of deficit spending and how his favorite congressman is doing on that.

Notice how Jim first quotes the rule to which he is going to hold two people-who I would presume he thinks are icons of perfection as it pertains to conservatism-accountable:

"STOP SPENDING MY CHILD'S FUTURE"

Then he holds "his enemy" to that rule:

"Wonder how many times Concerned NC Citizen said that to Helms and Dole between 2001 and 2008 while the national debt was going from $5T to over $9T (not including the Iraq and Afghanistan costs off the books). Just sayin'."

Here is the follow up to that rule:

You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

So my question to Jim is, what's your point. No, really, what is your point? What are your rules in regards to spending the futures of those who have no say by virtue of their age or existence?

(Oh, and in case there is a misunderstanding, Christianity is built on the premise that man can not live up to-not only man's rules, but God's, and is in need of a savior. I guess Alinsky missed that not so minor point.)

Grandma J said...

Good for you! I write to my Senators all the time, but they already vote the way I want them too. maybe I should send one to Kay Hagan.

the malcontent said...

Give em hell Grandma J, you got the right Idea.

Jim said...

Dan said, "Notice how Jim first quotes the rule to which he is going to hold two people-who I would presume he thinks are icons of perfection as it pertains to conservatism-accountable".

I quote no one except Concerned NC Citizen. I certainly do not think either of the two Senators as icons of anything. They were the Senators prior to the current one and were in office during the Bush administration.

"So my question to Jim is, what's your point. No, really, what is your point?"

My point is simply if Concerned NC Citizen didn't write to Helms or Dole complaining about spending their child's future, why not? What are his or her "rules in regards to spending the futures of those who have no say by virtue of their age or existence".

My rules are based on what do future generations get out of it. In my opinion, the past administration spent their future on tax cuts for the wealthy, an unfunded Medicare drug program, and a war of choice in Iraq. The current administration is spending to keep the economy from collapsing, putting the country on a renewable energy economic foundation, and getting our children better education and skills to compete in a world economy.

jadedfellow said...

Dear Susannah,

Praying you have a good CHRISTmas.

jadedfellow

Susannah said...

Dan~ Precisely. In other words - "turn them on their own argument & get them on the defensive."

Trouble is Jim's question deliberately misses the point of the Concerned Citizen, whose very OBVIOUS point is that never in our history have we seen such a carte blanche takeover of private 'industry.' Ever. And it's all going on our children's/grandchildren's tab.

Any attempt to detract from this point is to deal in the same politics that got us where we are. And imo it's all twisted & sick. Extrapolate what you will re: Christian ethics on that.

Susannah said...

GrammaJ~ 'Atta girl! Go get Kay Hagan. She sure isn't listening to me.

Mal~ You betcha! Gramma's cool, insn't she? ;)

Jim~ If I'm reading your first comment correctly, & I believe I am, you're assuming a LOT about Concerned Citizen. You're assuming that this person is inconsistent in their complaint, & your assumption leads to an insinuation that Citizen is therefore being a hypocrit by complaining now.

First, knowing Concerned Cit. as I do - & he's a registered Democrat, btw - he is NOT one to play footsie w/ honesty & consistency. He is someone who calls it like he sees it - every time. Quite refreshing, actually.

Second, even IF someone were not being expertly consistent in their views of spending - past to present - SO WHAT? THIS spending takes over 1/6 of our economy in one swath, w/o anyone even knowing what we're DOING!!!

Good Lord, man! This has nothing to do w/ preventing economic collapse, renewable energy or education. This is a massive government takeover of not only 'industry,' but of our freedom.

Time to smell the coffee, Jim.

Susannah said...

Jaded~ Thank you for your prayers. We all need them, don't we?

Merry Christmas, all.

Jesus loves us, this we know.

Dan said...
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Dan said...

Okay, next we see in Jim's comment the "yesterdays" and "tomorrows". Check it out, it is a common theme among talking-point bloggers.

Yesterdays:

Yesterday things were bad because a conservative was in the White House, and of coarse draaassstic measures are going to have to be taken to fix it. That's easy, it's politics. Political pondits of all stripes engage in this. Our job, as Christians, is to not be taken in by it.

Tomorrows:

I would like to point out the liberal fixation on tomorrow. Tomorrow is where we find the land of hOpe and promises, far removed from the examining eye; the critical evaluation. And it seems to be where we must always focus our attention.

Never mind that for us today, we are living in Lyndon B Johnson's tomorrow with the aftermath of the war on poverty; the sky rocketing crime rates, suicide, fatherlessness, illegitimacy, angst, broken families, flagrant profanity, gang warfare, dilapidated inner cities, fear, crumbling schools, businesses and jobs fleeing from power trip bureaucrats, oppressive regulations, frivolous litigation, and high taxes, and a government racing headlong for insolvency. Yet, don't ask how yesterday's tomorrow is going. You'll be given little platitudes like a pull string doll saying "tax cuts for the rich" and the like, without any serious unbaised analasis of what is actually happening. You'll simply be directed to look with undaunted hOpe to the new tomorrow. Yes, only look to tomorrow, You'll see, when tomorrow gets here. But for now just trust us. We want to take care of everyone.

What ever else Jim has to say in reply, we can surly expect it to be chalked full of communist bumper sticker talking points, and the "previous administration's" (Bush bashing has lost its appeal as of late) failures compared to all the good things that are going to happen, one of these days.

Jim said...

Suzanne-Merry Christmas!

I'm not assuming anything about Concerned, just asking the question. That said, if Concerned was a registered democrat, then I wouldn't be surprised if he DID complain about the Bush administration spending away his child's future. I know I was.

You said, "THIS spending takes over 1/6 of our economy in one swath, w/o anyone even knowing what we're DOING!!! "

"This spending" as you call it is PAID FOR within the bill itself. In fact, the CBO scores the Senate bill as REDUCING the deficit by about $130B in the first 10 years and $1.3 Trillion in the next 10 years. That means that it is not only paying for itself in savings, it's saving more of Concerned's child's future.

Your statement sounds like you are assuming that the government is going to spend an equivalent of 1/6th of the GDP to fund the entire health care industry. In 2006 health care spending was about $2.2T. That's ONE YEAR of health care spending vs. $871B one-time spending on this bill. In the meantime my insurance will continue to be funded by me and my employer only now it won't double in cost ever 6-8 years.

This bill does not "take over" the health care industry. It adds new consumer protections, gets more people covered by insurance instead of emergency room public costs, and improves the efficiency of Medicare. No insurance companies are taken over by the government. No hospitals are taken over by the government. No doctors are taken over by the government.

Jim said...

Dan said, "Our job, as Christians.." Huh? Really?

"we are living in Lyndon B Johnson's tomorrow " Yep. And Ronald W. Reagan's and George H.W Bush's and William J. Clinton's and George W. Bush's tomorrow.

"What ever else Jim has to say in reply, we can surly expect it to be chalked full of communist bumper sticker talking points"

You're really a hoot, Dan! Merry Christmas!

Dan said...

Or this

Susannah said...

Jim~ Merry Christmas to you & everyone else, too!

I really haven't had the energy to respond to your content, what with all the Yule tidings...However, I did hear back from 'Concerned NC' via email. He has apparently been keeping up w/ our discussion. I'll post his reply below.

Dan~ I saw this video the other day. Very, very sad, isn't it? Pathetic, really. Thanks for the link.

(Btw, how do you embed one of those links in a comment section?)

Susannah said...

Here's Concerned NC Citizen's response (edited for privacy with [] by moi); also, note that he clarifies my mistakes from my earlier comment:

Hey Sus~ I don't really care to get into an online pissing match, since I usually have to in my line of work and since I'm not passive-aggressive, just aggressive; so I don't like to make comments that can't be backed up with a punch or two if necessary. I'll just give you my thoughts and you can do with them as you wish...

To Right-Wing Libertarian, I DID sign my name and gave more than enough info for anyone that cared, to find me. That wasn't my first E to the the "good Senator" and each one had my name one it...

And to clarify, [my wife] and I are both registered Republicans, though we still vote Democratic in State and Local elections. But I'm thinking that this might be about to change.

That being said, however, we both were registered Democrats before we moved [here]. As were Jesse Helms and Reagan. Reagan said it best when he said,"I didn't leave the Democratic Party, they left me."

Both of our families are still Dems, though mine haven't voted that way since Carter. [My wife's family] still does though, and I manage to mind my manners, but it is becoming increasingly more difficult to do so.

and then Jim.
...If you're going to be a smartass, at least be intelligent about it. No, I didn't contact either of the Honorable Senators that he mentioned. I didn't have to:
1) Sen. Helms was also known as Senator "No" because he said No to everything including spending my money or my child's future money. 2) Why would I need to contact Lady Dole, when she's doing what I want her to do, stay out of my life.
3) If Jim would look at my letter again, I stated that I only wished for 2 things, To be left alone and be protected by a strong Military.

He's like the rest of the Dems. So arrogant as to think that the rest of us can't do simple Math. The bulk of the debt went to fighting a war on 2 fronts. If not for that, who's to say what those 8 years would have been like.
4) War of choice? It's easy to be brave on-line, let the CSSOB say that to my face. Blood of my blood was spilt in that God forsaken country so that he could sit here and spew his liberal crap. And it still doesn't even come close to what is being spent now and don't even start with the the whole "It's Bush's fault".

...continued...

Susannah said...

...continued from Concerned NC Citizen...

The "Master of Change" has been in office for a whole year with a Democratic controlled House and Senate and he still can't find his ass with both hands. He's like the rest of 'em. I can't find anyone to stand up and proudly say that they voted for this "change".

I've tried picking fights and can't get anyone to bite. He's right about one thing though, we did have a choice. They could fight us here or fight us there.

So my question to him is, Which one would he prefer? Because they made crystal clear that they didn't have any problem fighting on our soil.

Next question, why is it that natural selection in this world, applies to everything except us? And no, it's can't be because we live in a civilized society, because the news reminds us daily that we don't. We still operate under the principle of "survival of the fittest".

Now we could all operate like Jim, with the assumption that Big Brother is going to take care of us. Or we could operate like the rest of us that are hoping for the best, but planning for the worst.

It is my view that only fools place their faith in their fellow man, let alone their Government. I know what I got and I don't think he can match it. I hope that he's right, for his sake. Because if it hits the fan, he's goin' to be SOL.

OK, I'll calm down now. But Jim should be careful what he says and who he says it around. Some of us are just waiting for an opportunity to put him in his place. I fear that things are going to get ugly before it's over.

Last question, has he ever stopped to consider how the Americans of the 1860's viewed politics? or the 1770's for that matter. How many of those Americans said, "This will just blow over and government will protect me"? and does he really think that the founding Fathers envisioned an America where the People had to depend on the Government to hold their hand and tell them what they could or couldn't do?

Sounds kind of crazy to me, when you consider that they were fighting for independence from just this same type of governance. Just sayin'.

Susannah said...

Concerned NC Citizen~ Thanks for your comments. BRAVO. I especially appreciate your putting the 'politics' into perspective relative to 1860's/1770's, etc.

We all appreciate hearing from you!

Happy New Year!

Jim said...

"If you're going to be a smartass...". I was a smartass for asking a question?

"I stated that I only wished for 2 things, To be left alone and be protected by a strong Military." Good for you. You sound like you want to just live in a cabin up in the "holler" and hunt and grow your own. More power to you.

Some of us would like to have good highways, safe air traffic, safe drugs, safe food, clean water and a whole lot of other things we can't just buy at the A&P.

"The bulk of the debt went to fighting a war on 2 fronts." Untrue. The Bush-Cheney administration increased the national debt by $4.97 Trillion dollars while the allocation for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan through fiscal year 2009 totals $915 Billion. That leaves over $4 Trillion unaccounted for.

"Blood of my blood was spilt in that God forsaken country so that he could sit here and spew his liberal crap." I'm sincerely sorry for your loss, but I think it's reasonably fair to say that I'd still be "spewing [my] liberal crap" if we had never invaded Iraq.

"I can't find anyone to stand up and proudly say that they voted for this "change"." You found one here. Am I totally satisfied with President Obama up to this point? Nope. But he sure beats the alternative. McCain would have suspended his presidency while trying to figure out the financial crisis and we would probably be involved in a third war in [bomb] Iran.

"They could fight us here or fight us there." Yep, I can see LSTs loaded with A-rabs storming the beaches of NC now, supported by the royal Al-Qaeda Navy. Or don't you think our "strong military" could handle them? Do you actually think our being in Iraq is stopping 19 well-educated, middle class Muslims from flying airplanes into the Pentagon? Do you?

"Now we could all operate like Jim, with the assumption that Big Brother is going to take care of us." I make no such assumption and don't know anyone who does. Maybe you are hanging out with the wrong sort of "liberals", but all the ones I know of are trying to be as self-reliant as you except we think there are a lot of things the government can do to promote the general welfare, as the forefathers envisioned when they placed those words in both the preamble and Article I Section 8 of the Constitution.

"It is my view that only fools place their faith in their fellow man." What a pity! If you are not living up in the holler now, when are you moving?

"But Jim should be careful what he says and who he says it around. Some of us are just waiting for an opportunity to put him in his place." Excuse my language, Susannah, but WTF?

"has he ever stopped to consider how the Americans of the 1860's viewed politics? or the 1770's for that matter." Sure, I minored in history so I'm reasonably familiar with the concepts. I don't see any particular relevance to today, though I guess you do. Fine.

"does he really think that the founding Fathers envisioned an America where the People had to depend on the Government to hold their hand and tell them what they could or couldn't do?" Uh, no. And I know of no one who has or espouses such a vision. You made it up.

Susannah said...

Hi Jim~ Remember the time I said you tended to be a bit tedious, & you balked @ me? Well, the comments here are what I'm talking about. (Mind you, I'm not saying you're not welcome b/c you are...it's just that I don't have the personal energy to deflect, explain, analyze-to-death every tedious point that is brought to this comment forum...Please understand, I'm a wife & mother of 3 whose priorities lie there, in that order. So, if I don't address everything, it's b/c I've got 4 loads of laundry waiting, a dog to walk, kids to feed & a husband to kiss!

Now. I don't have the time to debate the minutia of ObamaCare, our overwhelming national debt problems, etc. However, for you to keep insisting that ObamaCare will truly REDUCE our deficit, then there's no amount of debate that will challenge your thinking.

How, in heaven's name, could our Fed. G'ment take on a project as mammoth as insuring, implementing coverage, etc. for hundreds of millions of people & NOT go into deficit?? Because it's "paid for in the bill??" How the @#$$ do you think they've "paid" for it? By pulling money off trees? NO. Through confiscatory taxation, that's how. And if you think you & your employer are going to be left minding your own business w/ your happy little insurance plan, you're really brainwashed, Jim. You will HAVE NO HAPPY LITTLE INSURANCE PLAN, b/c it'll all be absorbed by the Fed. G'ment, b/c no business or individual will be able to compete. The g'ment doesn't set things up to lose $$ at their own expense, Jim, only at ours.

Oh boy.

Susannah said...

OK.

As for Concerned Citizen's comments, I assure you, he means no bodily harm or damage (as I interpreted your "W..F" question). I have known him for years, know him quite well, & his intensity often emerges when discussing politics. He's also not familiar w/ the nuances of blog etiquette, etc. I had already edited his comment for privacy, & didn't believe it would be correct to edit for more content, too. I don't do that for anyone else, either.

He's not very subtle or PC. I think his statement is a reflection of the seriousness with which many people view the things that BHO's administration is doing to our country. There are many who are terribly disturbed by it & want things put back 'in their place' in our Republic - if we still have one.

As for this: "'does he really think that the founding Fathers envisioned an America where the People had to depend on the Government to hold their hand and tell them what they could or couldn't do?' Uh, no. And I know of no one who has or espouses such a vision. You made it up."

No Jim, he didn't make it up. Concerned Cit.'s question demonstrates EXACTLY the 'vision' that BHO 'espouses.' Exactly.

Night all.

Buck said...

If a guy who just wants to support himself and his family is automatically dubbed from the "holler" does that mean Jim is a ghetto banger with his boom box on his shoulder, dope in his pocket, Schlitz malt liquor in one hand, tin cup for alms in the other, pants half way down his arse, stolen Colt 38 in the sagging waist band, standing outside his public housing unit with the satellite dish bolted into the brick, waiting for the bus, while neither supporting the three illegimate children he has spawned all over town nor ever paying the first dime in income taxes? Aren't they all proudly wearing Obama gear these days? And Jim does say that he is a proud Obama voter who is totally satisfied with the a-hole in chief. As for me, I'll take the guy from the holler any day.

Susannah said...

Buck~ Wow.

Jim said...

OK, pardon my asking, but what about my posts constitutes tediousness? Answering point by point, or the fact that I don't rollover and accept whatever you or concerned citizen or anybody else says? Are the facts tedious? I suppose so. Can't help that. :-)

Jim said...

Buck either didn't actually read my post, doesn't understand written English, or simply wants to misinterpret what I said.

When I say that Concerned must want to live up in the holler, I make no assumption other than that he doesn't want or need the government to provide roads, traffic lights and regulations, travel on public conveyances, buy safe food or drugs, hope no airplanes fall out of the sky on him, etc. He apparently wants to live off the land. Any other inference from what I wrote is Buck's problem. I support myself and my family and still enjoy the benefits of society living and working together.

"And Jim does say that he is a proud Obama voter who is totally satisfied with the a-hole in chief." Nope, read it again, Buck.

Jim said...

"or you to keep insisting that ObamaCare will truly REDUCE our deficit, then there's no amount of debate that will challenge your thinking."

Susannah, I have available the text of both the House and Senate bills. I also have the scoring of both by the CBO. The CBO is non-partisan. It says the bills REDUCE the deficit in the first 10 and second 10 years. Now, things may turn out better or worse depending on actuarial outcomes and economic outcomes. But the CBO has made its best estimate.

So I ask you, what is YOUR source to contradict what the CBO has published?

"there's no amount of debate that will challenge your thinking." There is not amount of debate without facts to counter the FACTS that I have presented. Why would I change my thinking based on right-wing talking points when my thinking is based on published and readily available facts.

"How, in heaven's name, could our Fed. G'ment take on a project as mammoth as insuring, implementing coverage, etc. for hundreds of millions of people & NOT go into deficit??"

Susannah, I don't know what you are reading or watching, but you do not appear to have an understanding about what the current bills are set to do. HCR DOES NOT plan to implement coverage for hundreds of millions of people. Most Americans have their own insurance or Medicare and will continue to do so. You fear that the free market will be driven out of business by an organization that you claim is grossly incompetent. The logic escapes me. And anyway, it is unlikely that any government run public option will make the final bill, so your fears about the public option are really moot.

"And if you think you & your employer are going to be left minding your own business w/ your happy little insurance plan, you're really brainwashed, Jim." This has no basis in fact, Susannah. It's simply the fear-mongering of those who will do and say anything to try to defeat HCR.

I'm only a few years from qualifying for "government-run" healthcare myself. It's not really government run. It's all private hospitals, private doctors, private clinics and private drug companies. There's just one entity that handles the payments. And, like everyone else, I will be paying premiums for all but the most basic safety net coverage. And I'm sure that like 75% of people who LOVE their medicare, I will too.

Susannah said...

Jim dear, please, please see my next post. It'll be the first one of 2010, & it's dedicated to YOU!!
It's all about you, Jim dear! ;)

"OK, pardon my asking, but what about my posts constitutes tediousness?"

Look who authored the lastest 3 comments & how many questions demand 'point by point' tedium...

I understand facts, etc., but sometimes you have to see the forest for the trees, my friend.

Okay, please see my next post.

Happy New Year!

Dan said...

(Btw, how do you embed one of those links in a comment section?)

Did you get my email on this?

Susannah said...

Dan~ Yes, I got it & reponded just now. Thanks a bundle!

Hey, can anybody tell me how you italicize/bold things that are in comment sections?

Susannah said...

Guess what friends!
I just heard back from our Concerned Citizen, who apparently has been following our conversation. His comment came to me via email:

Hey Sus!
I've been following your blog. Entertaining to say the least.

My Grandmother said some people are just "quarrellers", but I don't have the time, nor the disposition for it. So I will give you one last common sense response.

I don't know anyone that would advocate doing away with air traffic safety, the food and drug administration or any other Federal program designed to protect our welfare, as our quick witted friend [Jim] suggested that I overlooked. Though some [of these programs] should be overhauled.

As for our roads, we used to have good roads, we were nationally known for it. It was because of the high gas tax that we pay. Then somehow the Fed got involved and redistributed the funding to states with fewer people. There went our roads, more people driving on them, but fewer dollars to keep them up.

The difference, as I see it, between these items of public interest and National Health Care is simple. They are all regulated commerce or promote it. National Health Care, as envisioned by this administration, is not.

Our learned friend [Jim] is correct, Article 1- Sect. 8 does give Congress the power to promote public welfare, but not provide it. Welfare as used in the Constitution does not mean Government Assistance.

I think that everyone would agree that something has to be done about health care. But another government program that makes people dependent on the government can't be the answer.

At some point we will have to take care of ourselves, because this Country can't afford to continue borrowing against the future. I for one am not willing to stick my head in the sand and accept fuzzy math based on theory and conjecture. I simply wish for our elected officials to stop spending for votes and truly look out for this country's welfare.

As for the 'holler,' no I don't live in one. But I came from one, and those still there are just as fed up as I am.

If our friend knows his history as he claims, then he would certainly know that the one's in the 'holler' who wished to be left alone & make their on way, are the very ones that started this thing that we call the United States of America.

Truly, God Bless.